Homeeasy RF receiver

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davidnewton
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Hi Derek,

This looks of interest - however one question does it support the decoding of BBSB - i'm thinking specifically of the Homeeasy Timer remotes (the ones with the LCD - cant recall the part number - could be HE200?) - the wiki makes reference to two versions of firmware.

Thanks

David

g7pkf
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please link?

Anyone like to comment on these?

 

could i control from hah and remote? SWMBO getting fed up with lockup's

 

Home Easy 6X HE322B Sockets Plus HE200 Timer Remote Control - Eco Pack

Save energy, money and the environment


The Home Easy Remote Control 6 Pack Socket Kit allows you to
remotely switch on/off an appliance. Plug an appliance into the
Home Easy Remote Control Socket, then use any Home Easy
Transmitter to Switchh on/off. No wiring necessary.


Pack Contents:

1 x He200 Remote Control

6 x HE322B 3000 watt Black Socket

Sender :

  • Wirefree
  • 30 Metre Range
  • Control up to 6 individual sockets
  • Group on/off
  • Through walls & Ceilings
  • Remotely on/off
  • Batteries Included

Reciever :

  • Plug-in
  • Max Wattage Resistive Load 3000W

 

 

Oh stuff it i just orderd a set to play with, if they dont do what i want ill sell them on :)

derek
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Can be controlled from HAH ... but ...

The HE200 transmitter can be emulated from the HAH. Interestingly, when working with the RF receiver I found that the HE200 actually uses the BBSB protocol.

Of course, the main difficulty when trying to use the HAH and the original remote is that of 'pairing'. If you pair the socket with the remote, the code that the HAH sends might no longer match the 'paired' code.

Some Home Easy and LightWaveRF units allow multiple transmitters to be paired at any one time. My recent work with LightwaveRF allows me to have control from my HAH as well as leaving the handset in operation.

davidnewton
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clarification

I am running a 'dual' setup ie HE200 handsets and HAH RF control, what I was hoping to achieve was having feedback into the HAH when the HE200 control is used (possibly to update the gui state)  and I thought I would also be able to program the HAH to use the same code as the HomeEasy Dual wall switches as I have found that if the wall switch is used and then the HAH is used sometimes the HAH command is ignored until the wall switch is used again to switch the lights off and then the HAH can switch them back on again. 

My initial question therefore to clarify will this unit allow me to 'learn' the code being transmitted both by the HomeEasy protocol as used by the wall switches and the BBSB protocol as used by the HE200?

Thanks

David

derek
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RF receiver

The RF receiver kit http://www.homeautomationhub.com/content/homeeasy-rf-receiver

will decode either BBSB or HE, not both. If you 'really' wanted both, you could pump the output from the RF rx module into two decoder boards (one for each protocol).

Brett has been researching and cutting code that might eventually do a more generic job of RF Rx, but it's early days on this.

davidnewton
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rf receiver

So if I wanted to setup the receiver to decode the Homeeasy and once I had the required codes could I then change the setup so that I could run it in BBSB mode to perform ongoing decoding of the HE200 signals - is it just a matter of reflashing with the desired code or something more complicated that could maybe be achived by having the desired code preloaded on another chip that I could simply swap over as needed?  I am itching to buy this but just need to be sure that its going to do what I think/hope it will.

Thanks

David

derek
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Not quite that simple

The RF Rx unit can indeed be supplied with a chip that will decode the HomeEasy. This chip can be swapped out for one that will decode BBSB. 

However, there is no existing work that will allow you to xfer the HE RF Rx decode and map that directly to a URF Tx code that the HAH could send thereafter.

It might well be possible, with a little experimentation, to achieve this ... but I've never tried (and, sadly, have no time just now to make an attempt).

Derek.

g7pkf
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A favour please

Can you confirm that your remote buttons 1-6 correspond to RF 1-6 on the HAH? if so can you post your codes for the HE200.

 

The problem i have is SWMBO is getting fed up with lock ups and not being able to switch on light's so a remote soloution needs to be implemented as a matter of urgency.

 

Thank You

 

Dean

davidnewton
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system design

Hi Dean,

I'm at work at the moment but will put together over the weekend a description of what i've done to incorporate both the HAH, HE200 remote (and others) and also RF Homeeasy wall switches and how to work out the addressing of the extended switch positions on the HomeEasy remotes - as compared with the more limited BBSB codes which can be obtained by using the code utility on this site (will link to in next post - when I find it again) - this should keep SWMBO happy (well it does with mine ;-))

David

davidnewton
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system decription

Hi Dean,

Here is an overview of how I have tackled the issue that you seem to be having:-

Part of my system comprises a HE200 Lcd remote control, 2 x HE308 twin wall switches and several HE302S plug in 13 A sockets - there are other components but I will leave them out for clarity.

An important point to note is that the HE302S sockets can learn a total of 6 seperate commands, this seems to be the case for all HomeEasy receivers with the exception of the HE330S receivers which are an updated 13 A socket which does not have a learn button and these units can only accept 3 commands - I would suggest that you wipe all existing commands from your receivers and start from scratch learning - this way you can be sure that no rogue on/off commands are going to be lurking and cause unexpected behaviour - I have learnt this the hard way!

First I taught each HE302S to accept HE308 wall switch number 1 (position 1 of 6 occupied) and then wall switch number 2 (pos 2 of 6) - (I have a HE308 switch at each end of the living room) - SWMBO can now switch all plug in lights on/off from a 'standard' wall switch.

Second I taught each HE302S with an individual code from the HE200 LCD remote control (pos 3 of 6) in my case the rotary wheel for this remote was set to position A giving A1 to A16 codes i.e. 01010177046504650177060127101900441500 - which is the on code for A6 - this is worked out as follows:-

01010177046504650177060127101 - ignore this part - its essential but we don't need to worry about the content of this as that has already been worked out, it's the next three sections that we need to understand:-

900 = A

44 = 6

1500 = ON

Using the tool - section BBSB RF at http://www.dbzoo.com/public/rf-helper.html will help you to obtain codes A to H 1 to 8 but in my case due to the number of units I need to control I needed to access codes A to P and 1 to 16 - the following is a list of these codes:-

A = 900  B = 940  C = 910  D = 950  E = 904  F = 944  G = 914  H = 954  I = 901  J = 941  K = 911  L = 951  M = 905  N = 945  O = 915  P = 955

1 = 00  2 = 40  3 = 10  4 = 50  5 = 04  6 = 44  7 = 14  8 = 54  9 = 01  10 = 41  11 = 11  12 = 51  13 = 05  14 = 45  15 = 15  16 = 55

1500 = on  1400 = off

Thirdly I taught each HE302S with the code A16 so that I can control the group with one press (same in effect as pressing one of the wall switches) (pos 4 of 6)

Once the codes from the HE200 have been taught to the HE302S units these are then used in the HAH.

I hope this is what you were after.

I started this thread because I was hoping the the RF receiver in the shop would enable me to decode the RF signal sent from the wall switches - but as Derek has confirmed this is not the case.  The reason for wanting this is that I have found that sometimes when another part of my system is controlled from the wall switch the HAH RF control does not work until I have used the wall switch to turn off the lights at which point HAH control then works again, I had hoped that I could get the HAH RF system to use the same code as the wall switch and overome this problem but I guess this will have to wait.

David

derek
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Sniffing that RF signal

With URF, the HAH can reproduce most any 433MHz RF signal. However, if you want to produce a 'specific instance' of a signal (like the exact one that your lightswitches are sending) then you need to use a cheap 'scope and a little RF Rx module.

It's pretty straightforward if you have the kit to hand. 

The other thing that I could do is to prepare a variant of the RF Rx decoder software. In normal use, I discard the 'filler' bits that pad out the messages, only reporting the parts of interest. However, a 'debug' version could be created to pump out ALL of the bits that are decoded to the serial port. You could then use this info to prepare a URF string that is a complete replica of the one that was received.

This would work for most all of the 'home automation' RF devices ... the only ones that it couldn't handle are the more secure RF transmitters where there is a rolling sequence of codes (car remotes tend to use these).

Derek

davidnewton
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interesting

The complete replica sounds just the thing that I was hoping for - when you say 'cheap' scope how cheap is cheap and do you have any recommendations?

David

derek
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Inexpensive 'scope

I recall that Brett bought a cheap USB 'scope on eBay which worked pretty well, he might be able to recall the seller - it was around the £20 mark.

Karl also bought a nice logic analyser (rather more expensive, but more capable).

Mine is a Velleman unit that I've had for ages.

g7pkf
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Thank you

Yes would be nice to integrate HAH and remote to same codes, i have just bought 6 he302 and a 200 remote, strted playing and have 5 codes that work but cannot get my head round how to get any more 302's codes tried your very good explanation but i seem to be having a mental block. any chance you could post the codes you use on HAH for the 302's? i Gther you have a few of them :)

davidnewton
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HomeEasy codes (BBSB protocol)

What setting do you have set on the HE200 rotary dial - if you let me know I will post up the codes that will work.

davidnewton
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HE302 URF CODES

Answered in

HE302 URF CODES thread.

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